S8 Ep35: Dr Gubad Ibadoghlu imprisoned in Azerbaijan

[00:00:01] On today's podcast we're joined by Ibad Beremov and we discuss the imprisonment of his farm,

[00:00:11] This is Secrets and Spies. Secrets and Spies is a podcast that dives into the world of espionage,

[00:00:31] terrorism, geopolitics and intrigue. This podcast is produced and hosted by Chris Carr.

[00:00:37] On today's podcast we're joined by Ibad Beremov and we discuss the imprisonment of his father,

[00:00:43] Dr. Gubad Ibadoglu in Azerbaijan. Dr. Ibadoglu is an economics professor and was a leading figure

[00:00:50] of the opposition in Azerbaijan. He was arrested in July 2023 whilst visiting his family in Azerbaijan

[00:00:58] and he was arrested on what is largely considered trumped up charges due to his criticism of President

[00:01:04] Ilham Ilyev's repressive rule in Azerbaijan. In the show notes below I've added a link to the

[00:01:11] Gubadi files website that gives you more information on Dr Ibadoglu and also I've linked

[00:01:17] to more articles that give you additional information on the political situation in Azerbaijan.

[00:01:23] So it's quite a difficult episode because we're talking about the imprisonment of an older man

[00:01:27] who is in ill health and his health is deteriorating so if you feel moved or compelled by what Ibad

[00:01:35] tells us today I've also added links where you can contact your senator in America or your

[00:01:42] MP in the UK. Obviously the family would appreciate any political support that you can give on this.

[00:01:49] I hope you find this episode interesting and thank you very much for listening, take care.

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[00:02:00] producers and sponsors of this podcast. Ibad welcome to the podcast just for the benefit

[00:02:18] of the listeners please can you just tell us a little bit about yourself.

[00:02:22] Hi thank you for inviting me my name is Ibad Ilamov I'm the son of economist and scholar from the

[00:02:28] London School of Economics and political science Dr Gubadi Ibadoglu. I study in Sweden my master's

[00:02:35] degree and I'm from Azerbaijan. We're on here to talk about your father today who is currently

[00:02:41] in prison in Azerbaijan facing trial on charges that appear to be trumped up and made up

[00:02:47] charges. So I was wondering if you could just talk to us a bit about who your father is and what he does.

[00:02:53] Yeah my father was leader of the non-government organization Economic Research Center in Azerbaijan.

[00:03:00] It was based in Azerbaijan until 2014 when the government brought up the foreign agent

[00:03:09] theory which you already see in Russia too and something that the Georgian government

[00:03:14] is also trying to bring up. Basically you have to you have to let them know about all the donations

[00:03:21] and all the donors you get from the foreign governments and the foreign organizations

[00:03:26] and that led to him not accepting that and people there were other people like him too who

[00:03:33] was forced to exile the country because those NGO leaders who was not in line with the government

[00:03:40] rules were actually subject to the tax evasion. So his current charges is not the first time

[00:03:47] government is trying to get him to prison so he was in exile for nine years from 2014 because

[00:03:56] of these tax evasion charges and then he was a professor at the US universities during this time

[00:04:03] in the US in Duke University and advanced studies of the Princeton University in the

[00:04:10] Rattus University and he moved to London, the London School of Economics and Political Science

[00:04:15] in 2021 and he has been a scholar in LAC ever since that. Apart from that he was a

[00:04:23] Reagan-Fascot Fellow in the National Endowment for Democracy in the Washington DC

[00:04:29] and he has been also set up a party in Azerbaijan though he was in exile while sitting up this

[00:04:35] party because Azerbaijan democracy and prosperity party and he is the chairman of this party.

[00:04:41] Can you talk just a little bit about the political situation in Azerbaijan, kind of give

[00:04:45] the audience a bit of a guide to the politics that kind of underlines some of what's been

[00:04:50] going on? Sure I think we should start by the fact that Azerbaijan has been ruling by the same

[00:04:58] family over 30 years now. If you look at the last years of Soviet Union Azerbaijan SSR was in under

[00:05:07] the leadership of Haidal Aviev who became Azerbaijan's second president after taking over the law from

[00:05:16] the Abu Fazer Chiba in 1993. So, Aviev family has not been in charge of Azerbaijan in the last 40

[00:05:25] years for only briefly for two years and apart from that they have been the one ruling the family.

[00:05:31] He read the counter until his death in 2003 which they actually did hide it until the last

[00:05:39] moment. In fact his death was hidden so that his son could become the next president and then his

[00:05:46] son took over Yuham Aviev in 2003 in a very scandalous sham elections and ever since that

[00:05:56] there has been even before that there was not any fair election in the country Haidal Aviev did

[00:06:01] came to power because there was a war in the country and the Abu Fazer Chiba left basically the position

[00:06:08] empty, vacant. So there has never been a fair election for this family to actually get the mandate

[00:06:16] of ruling the family and they have become they have always been quite oppressive towards

[00:06:23] society but lately we've seen even ever increase oppression. I mean we could look at the numbers

[00:06:31] that last year in February we had only 93 political prisoners in Azerbaijan but right now there's 288

[00:06:41] political prisoners in Azerbaijan which is nearly tripled and that's a huge number if you

[00:06:47] think about the fact that Azerbaijan is a member of Council of Europe just like the UK and the main

[00:06:54] principles of Council of Europe is human rights, rule of law and democracy basically undermining all

[00:07:01] the main rules of the Council of Europe. And we could also look at how Azerbaijan organized

[00:07:08] their elections. We had election on the 7th of February and the ARIF unsurprisingly won

[00:07:15] again but this time with the 93% of the votes. I think that's goes to show you how democratic

[00:07:22] Azerbaijan has been in the past years especially under Iham Aliyev and now we have recently seen

[00:07:28] that the government has got rid of the media because they actually introduced a media rule

[00:07:38] media rule in 2022 that every media organization that would like to operate in Azerbaijan

[00:07:45] has to get their journalists registered by the government and the government is able

[00:07:49] government has the capacity to say no if they don't like journalists and they also could

[00:07:56] they as you know from the foreign agents rule you cannot get donors from the foreign

[00:08:01] organizations, foreign counties you cannot bring money to the county that's punishable

[00:08:06] by law up to five years and even sometimes even more than that. And in March we saw that they

[00:08:13] have raided the top room TV which was the last three media organizations working from

[00:08:21] Azerbaijan we still have some media organizations operating outside of the country so basically

[00:08:27] from Netherlands, from Germany and by the way they don't have websites because their website

[00:08:33] has been blocked in Azerbaijan the only way they are able to operate is through YouTube and Facebook

[00:08:39] so top room TV also has got been raided and their founder has been chaired this is after

[00:08:48] Obsess Media Journalists and the director was chaired in December and we basically

[00:08:58] have no longer any free media organization left in the country and this is due to the media

[00:09:05] law that came to power in 2012 which is against the Venice Commission of the Council of Europe

[00:09:13] and we also had a political party rule which basically says the government can say

[00:09:18] no to any political party that they don't like so they don't have to register them there's no

[00:09:23] obligation and now more than 70% of the political parties had to cease to exist after that rule.

[00:09:32] Basically what government is trying to do with the political parties is to have

[00:09:36] very small number of political parties not getting rid of it so that you could show

[00:09:41] that you have some sort of democracy in the country that's what they always do right

[00:09:45] they're trying to you know Russia also had an erections last month in mid-march and put him on

[00:09:53] what was the what was the reason of the erection just to have that you know curtain in front of

[00:09:58] your eyes it's the same with Azerbaijan they're having this proxy political parties in the

[00:10:03] county that basically gets the money from the government but the government keeps them

[00:10:09] just to say that just to say that here we have a democracy in the county which is absurd and

[00:10:16] toward this particular party rule they are no longer going to accept any more political parties so

[00:10:22] we have whatever we have at the moment and we are not going to have any more political parties

[00:10:27] we don't have any free media in the county right now and NGO rule has been from 2014

[00:10:33] NGOs has to all the NGOs operating in Azerbaijan are basically government proxies gongos

[00:10:40] government organized non-government organization and we see that we see that the government is

[00:10:47] basically using the capital that they are getting from the rest from the oil and gas revenues to

[00:10:54] to oppress the oppressed the civil society we have no longer any civil society left in the county

[00:11:02] whoever is still fighting is outside of the country and it is it is actually it's actually

[00:11:09] very very tough situation Azerbaijan right now because everyone is afraid everyone is scared

[00:11:16] that they will get shared the government do not have any sort of limits or or red

[00:11:25] red thresholds they're basically they're basically imprisoning anyone that they dislike and and I

[00:11:32] mean that ritually that's what is the current situation Azerbaijan right now and we we we see

[00:11:38] that we see that with the also imprisonment of my father who is contracted by the one of

[00:11:44] scoff economics that they are not they are not really trying even right now to to look that did

[00:11:51] these imprisonments are legitimized they are basically imprisoning anyone they like and anyone

[00:11:57] they dislike and then and then start this trumped up scenario of charges in order to in order

[00:12:05] to keep this people in the prison and it has gotten so bad that we see that people who comments

[00:12:12] on facebook are getting imprisoned there's a guy who is called Muhammad who got imprisoned for

[00:12:20] three years in jail just because of his comments on facebook so he got jailed for the first time

[00:12:26] for 30 days but he did not stop that was a warning to him and because he did not stop they jailed

[00:12:33] him again for but this time for three years and the way they do it they basically

[00:12:40] they basically call all these people they basically charge all these people with the

[00:12:45] selling and use of narcotics and that's a very very famous Soviet Union tactics

[00:12:52] that it has been the government has been doing it for ages Soviet Union used to do that before

[00:12:58] before Azerbaijan was a democratic country so and there was a human right actress who was

[00:13:06] ex-police who actually gave an anonymous interview about this to absas media and he stated that the

[00:13:13] government actually collects the narcotics from the from the dealers and people like that and they

[00:13:21] don't they don't put it onto the records they keep it hidden and whenever there's a political

[00:13:26] prisoner case they actually in this sort of cases that's when they use those narcotics so

[00:13:33] basically they bring up they bring up this narcotics and say that I found this I found this in your

[00:13:39] pocket or in your house in fact the guy has there were some guys who have never even smoked a cigarette

[00:13:45] in their life getting charged with narcotics and this is all police keeping them on the side

[00:13:51] and using for this political prisoner cases the ex-police human rights defender who gave

[00:13:56] this interview when absas media journalists and the whole crew got imprisoned in Azerbaijan

[00:14:03] there's now seven members of absas media got imprisoned because of their investigative

[00:14:08] journalist work in December they managed to get to their laptops and they found who was behind

[00:14:16] this anonymous interview and then they they actually imprisoned that guy with the charge

[00:14:21] of narcotics so the same guy who actually revealed this is now in with selling of narcotics and he

[00:14:28] would get probably at least three years in prison just because of this interview and it goes to show

[00:14:35] that right now in Azerbaijan no member of the civil society is safe the county has reached to it

[00:14:41] is one of the highest level when it comes to oppression when it comes to when it comes to

[00:14:48] being I mean you could basically call it you could basically call it dictatorship

[00:14:54] if you if you if you exclude there's proxy parties that are not even registering for the

[00:15:00] presidential elections parliamentary elections they're there just to be there just to have

[00:15:05] this naming you know and there's a ruling council of Europe that there's a parliamentary

[00:15:11] assembly of council of Europe that you have to send at least from two different parties

[00:15:17] so they work with these proxy parties and then they read them like at least one of their members

[00:15:24] to parliament and then they sent those members to the parliamentary assembly of council of Europe

[00:15:29] to Strazburg France and just to show that we have democracy but that's the same playbook

[00:15:35] that Putin used to play with and Rukashenko's playing with we have seen this over and over again

[00:15:42] and Aliyev is just going the step foot of Putin and Rukashenko right now yeah just to

[00:15:48] confirm what you were saying just before we spoke I watched a youtube video about the

[00:15:53] elections and it was a Turkish made video and it was painting a very positive picture of the

[00:15:59] elections and interviewing all sorts of people who apparently proud to vote for the presidents

[00:16:04] even though the elections are considered a sham in the west and so yeah it's quite amazing really

[00:16:10] I could tell you about how the sham elections are made up in Azerbaijan I have never voted

[00:16:17] in my life in elections in neither in parliament nor in presidential it doesn't make any

[00:16:24] difference anyway I will give you an example they will bring people by carousel so this is

[00:16:31] called you put everyone to the buses and you bring them to the polling station they do that to

[00:16:37] show that there's a high wave of participation and then they also declined council of Europe

[00:16:43] parliamentary assembly of council of Europe members to come as observers in fact it became

[00:16:52] such a big issue that Azerbaijan got suspended from the parliamentary assembly of council of

[00:16:57] Europe because it's against the law parliamentary assembly of council of Europe to not to invite

[00:17:01] observers yeah it was so ridiculous that one of the observers from Switzerland who is an MP a member

[00:17:08] of parliament in Switzerland they actually did invite OCCE organization for security and

[00:17:18] security and cooperation in Europe so this guy who was both members of OCCE and the

[00:17:24] parliament as a assembly of council of Europe he came to Baku a week or few days before the election

[00:17:31] and he was blacklisted he actually couldn't get to the security check in the airport a

[00:17:37] Switzerland member of parliament got shipped out of the country to Istanbul within two hours

[00:17:43] because he was blacklisted and then they apologize and then they ask him to come back I

[00:17:49] don't think he came back but it goes to show that how the government treats how how oppressive they

[00:17:56] have become they are blacklisting European European politicians at the moment and and they brought this

[00:18:04] OCCE members to observers which they also said that it was not a fair election we did so high

[00:18:12] participation which in the background we know that those people were brought up by the passes

[00:18:18] another example there was a woman who lived at the polling station and they asked who did you

[00:18:23] vote for why are you here and she said I voted because they threatened two of my sons that if

[00:18:29] your family it will not vote you are gonna get you you're gonna get fired from the job that's

[00:18:36] how it is in Azerbaijan if you work for the government agencies if you work for anything

[00:18:41] related to government you have to vote you have to share stories about this on WhatsApp

[00:18:47] on Facebook or Instagram and in fact in these organizations there's always some employee who

[00:18:53] is checking this who is checking everyone's WhatsApp who is checking everyone's Facebook

[00:18:58] to see that you are doing your duty and also you have to let everyone know that you have watered

[00:19:04] you have to share a picture of ifa mariev I mean even at the universities they do that

[00:19:09] you know these clubs that you mess universities the committees so there was a screenshot from

[00:19:14] one of them from the Bakur State University that the head of the committee sent the picture of

[00:19:20] Ibrahim and said and and where everyone know that you have to share this today and tomorrow you're

[00:19:26] gonna share a new picture that I will send you so basically starting from universities from the

[00:19:32] from students from that young age they are they are training these people to be a robot and

[00:19:39] then when you start working they force you to go to work because you're gonna lose your job otherwise

[00:19:45] it's basically it's basically no one actually cares about the reaction from Azerbaijan right I mean

[00:19:51] they know that the result will not change if they go or they don't it's just the fact that

[00:19:57] they are forced to go that's why some people are going but even without that I don't think

[00:20:02] the participation is more than something like 40 percent because unless you are forced because

[00:20:08] of your job or because the university you are not you're not going to work you know that there's no

[00:20:15] reason for this the current president of Azerbaijan has never been given a legitimate mandate by the

[00:20:22] people of Azerbaijan he has never won an election before the election in the during the during the

[00:20:30] candidate discussions he did not attend he did not attend in 2018 either he did not attend in

[00:20:39] 2013 2008 he sent a system like he does not even attend these discussions that's how that's how

[00:20:48] ridiculous they how we decrease the whole election system in Azerbaijan because the president you

[00:20:55] don't see him at all only the night that he wins he goes out and he gives some very

[00:21:02] like he always gives a very similar speech for few minutes and that's it that's only time you see

[00:21:10] him most of the people doesn't never see him at all he would never go to public he has never

[00:21:17] been to public anyway before coming to for coming to becoming a president he was he was a gamble he

[00:21:26] was addicted to gambling he there was a remorse about him losing even a house in gambling more

[00:21:32] than millions sometimes million dollars I mean he and he was he was basically put as a as a

[00:21:41] successor to his father and now he's taking his son way recently he took his son to the meeting

[00:21:48] with the united arab embrace delegation he's probably preparing his son to his law and and

[00:21:54] the elections are just shambles no one is allowed to come those who is there was basically probably

[00:22:02] I mean if people doesn't know there was a case of caviel diplomacy of Azerbaijan which revealed in

[00:22:09] 2017 which was the case of Azerbaijan was actually bribing the european parliamentaries in the

[00:22:17] parliamentary assembly of council of europe because of this more than 40 politicians of european

[00:22:24] politicians have to leave the politics in total and one of them got chaired when they saw got

[00:22:30] revealed it's called caviel diplomacy because Azerbaijan government would invite him to

[00:22:34] baku let them stay in the most luxurious hotels give them caviel and the best food give them money

[00:22:42] every month there was a it was true like the politics banks so so they I mean just because

[00:22:51] it got revealed doesn't mean that they stopped doing that maybe they are not doing that in

[00:22:55] council of europe but they are probably doing that in OCC now I mean it who is gonna who is

[00:23:01] gonna tell that it took so much time to actually reveal that in council of europe that there was a

[00:23:06] case of caviel diplomacy starting from somewhere like 2007 up until 2016 for nine years they have

[00:23:13] been feeding all these parliamentaries so that they would never vote against Azerbaijan

[00:23:19] in 2013 they came to Azerbaijan for the as an observer to election and they said it was fair

[00:23:25] which was ridiculous thing to say when you think about that when you think about the fact that

[00:23:31] ibrahim ariyaf has won more than 85 percent of the votes since he became president he has never won

[00:23:40] the the the won the election with less than 85 percent of the votes and they say this is fair

[00:23:48] which it's it's just ridiculous so those people who come to baku I mean Turkish Turkish Serbian

[00:23:56] it might sound a bit harsh but also Italian MPs who said oh they saw a lot of participation

[00:24:03] who's also russian too by the way and bela was in fact in fact bela was um MP said we should

[00:24:11] take we should copy the model of Azerbaijan it's a great model it goes to show that you know

[00:24:17] how how ridiculous this is so the whole the understanding of democracy everything about

[00:24:24] the democracy in Azerbaijan is nothing different than what we what you have in Russia it's all hoax

[00:24:31] it's all sham it's not tool and it's just a made-up theater made-up scenario that's too

[00:24:38] just to brainwash the western governments and and the companies who would would invest in

[00:24:44] Azerbaijan thank you thank you for that is there anything you can tell us about the kind

[00:24:48] of police and security services in Azerbaijan I mean Azerbaijan by the Swedish society is called

[00:24:54] a police country because country is being uh country is being controlled by the police

[00:25:02] you have police everywhere you go in every street that you go you have police you have cameras

[00:25:08] everywhere it's nearly impossible to do something in Azerbaijan and not to get caught in the camera

[00:25:15] because there are cameras everywhere there are polices everywhere police have the ultimate power

[00:25:21] given by the government to to control the control the people you you basically cannot have any

[00:25:30] demonstration also another example of the Azerbaijan democracy that you are not able to have

[00:25:35] any demonstration in the streets you would get at least 10 police right away around you

[00:25:41] surrounding you and taking you to the police station so the country is being basically being

[00:25:47] everything is being implemented by the police I would give you an example from the court period of

[00:25:53] time so people would not allow to people would not allow to go outside and then this guy who

[00:26:02] left his house to throw the trash was got uh was got actually surrounded by the police

[00:26:09] and then the people actually started uh swearing at them from the windows I mean everyone was

[00:26:16] straight up with COVID period of time right and then they found all these people who were swearing

[00:26:21] at them who were throwing stuff at them and then they only like two days later they invaded

[00:26:27] all those houses and got all these people jared them for maybe months for maybe more than a month

[00:26:34] because he cannot disrespect police police is the one who is putting these implementations

[00:26:40] on the street that they are the ones who is doing what the president of Azerbaijan wants them to do

[00:26:47] they are here putting the input putting the rules and they're the ones who make sure that this

[00:26:52] got implemented in the country um we also have recently we had a new rule that all the taxes

[00:26:59] has to be either white or red in Azerbaijan probably because of uh reading up to the cop

[00:27:08] and this is like this will also be implemented by the police police would definitely control all

[00:27:14] this stuff and this is this is the case you have in Turkmenistan if people doesn't know about Turkmenistan

[00:27:20] that's uh north korea but a bit less known Turkmenistan also only have white cars I wrote

[00:27:28] and I think maybe maybe black too but that's only two colors because the reader of Turkmenistan

[00:27:34] likes white marble and he doesn't want the city to look bad but that's the same thing the Azerbaijan

[00:27:41] government also said they want the city they only want like the taxes in two colors so that so that

[00:27:48] the city would look nice I mean this is how they implement stuff and they're doing it to the police

[00:27:53] so police is the ultimate decider when it comes to the implementing they're the ones who's making

[00:27:59] sure that there's no protest in the streets making sure that the people are following the rules

[00:28:06] making sure that no one is no one is talking no one is uh using their any sort of human rights you

[00:28:14] know freedom of expression let's say so they are the ones who's making sure that the government

[00:28:20] is getting what they want to get and also bribery in Azerbaijan is over the place police gets you

[00:28:29] in police gets you by driving and you could you could always bribe the police even though you

[00:28:36] might be right but if you don't know your rules you could you could the police would always either

[00:28:42] gonna either gonna charge you but they always want you to bribe them anyway so you can

[00:28:47] you can use bribery in every way in Azerbaijan it it will I mean there are cases when people

[00:28:54] people hit a pedestrian by their car and then they pay and they they don't even get jail time

[00:29:01] because they if you I mean it's sometimes more than just few thousand but if you give enough

[00:29:08] if you give enough money you could get away with everything in Azerbaijan because

[00:29:13] also you have I mean the driving licenses is ridiculous I think 95% of the drivers in Azerbaijan

[00:29:20] got their licenses to bribery so anything anything you want to get in Azerbaijan you just need the

[00:29:27] money and you would do it to the bribery and the police is the one who is you know

[00:29:32] controlling all the system reading this happened and making sure that the government gets what

[00:29:36] they want why is your father do you think considered a threat to the government of Azerbaijan

[00:29:42] when he got charged with tax evasion just like the other NGO readers in 2014 and he had to exile

[00:29:51] he he didn't have obvious any tax evasion it was because he did not comply with the government

[00:29:59] it only the government only dropped the charges when there was a pressure by the EITI and EITI is

[00:30:08] the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative something that UK government was very keen

[00:30:14] to jump on and the BP is also like someone that's BP is also supporting this and there's

[00:30:21] also Shell and I think Total too it's it's about it's about the natural gas and oil

[00:30:27] industries and he was a global board member since from 2013 until 2019 until the region got

[00:30:35] basically kicked out of EITI because they saw that the county is not progressing at all

[00:30:42] so to the pressure from the pressure from the EITI from the Council of Europe by the

[00:30:47] way then did eventually drop the charges but he was he he was always an outspoken critic

[00:30:55] of the government that's what he devoted his life for he has been a member of the political parties

[00:31:03] since 1997 so now 26 years he is now a leader of a political party and by the way his political

[00:31:11] party is also not registered until new political party will um he it's it's we record them party

[00:31:19] because I think it's quite unfair the party has to go to government own decisions about registering

[00:31:26] but yeah he's also one of them that did not get in registration he went to court six times and he

[00:31:32] also got rejected obviously because there's no judicial system neither by then so controlled

[00:31:37] by the government um obviously no surprises here he apart from that he was very outspoken

[00:31:45] regarding the regarding the Pandora papers and Azerbaijan government's name has actually

[00:31:53] was echoed in the Pandora papers so rvs family and his associates acquired properties in London

[00:32:03] was 700 million dollars that actually came out in 2021 and he was one of the key persons to

[00:32:13] actually work on this whole whole process there's a website called London is azobaijan.com if you if

[00:32:21] you type it on on on on your browser you would see that he set up this website you could see that

[00:32:29] all the properties that was brought by the Azerbaijan government by the ruling family

[00:32:34] by the ruling family in London you have all these properties in Holborn in in the most

[00:32:41] luxurious streets of of of of London I mean we would we've we would leave the one scope economics

[00:32:48] I when I was in London and he would show me like oh look at this building this is acquired by

[00:32:53] Azerbaijan government look at that building it belongs to rvf I mean that's how ridiculous it

[00:32:59] is basically in the center of London you have all these buildings that was brought by that

[00:33:06] Azerbaijan government to in one you wondering to they set up a share companies in the in the Bahamas

[00:33:13] in the in the Central America in the Caribbean islands and and and he was one of the key members

[00:33:20] to to raise this also with the Azerbaijan people he made sure that the Azerbaijan people knows about

[00:33:27] this stuff I mean he was also after that we have a case of Javaship pay CF who was 5.6 million pounds

[00:33:37] in the UK courts to UK National Crime Agency because he basically couldn't explain where

[00:33:43] the money comes from be remind that this guy is an MP in Azerbaijan and he got the order of

[00:33:50] recognition by the Iha Marriott himself last year in June last year in June months before my father's

[00:33:59] imprisonment he was 5.6 million pounds we have is that Java Dora whose case is still on the on the

[00:34:06] court in the UK now is 6.4 million pounds and we have Zamiro Haji Eva whose husband was the

[00:34:14] was the associate of the Azerbaijan Central Bank and he now has 30 million pounds on the court right

[00:34:23] now ongoing this was this was all due to the Pandora papers and then it all got revealed basically

[00:34:31] you can you can nation crime agency it got into this stuff and apart from that he was obviously

[00:34:39] raising the issue with the petrol-altoritarianism in Azerbaijan that Azerbaijan government is basically

[00:34:46] feeding up by the by the petrol by the oil by the gas and using this money to to using this

[00:34:54] capital to to oppress their people he would write a lot of articles about these cases

[00:35:01] I mean also he has he has two recent articles that got a lot of attention

[00:35:07] one of them is in the one of them is in the Hungarian foreign affairs webi journal that got

[00:35:14] published only two days before his imprisonment that he he claims that Azerbaijan he's an economist

[00:35:21] so he's looking from the economist perspective he's saying that Azerbaijan has signed the contact

[00:35:27] with the European Commission in 2022 June right after the war in in Russia when

[00:35:33] also on the way in European Commission president came to Baku Azerbaijan and called you have married

[00:35:39] a rival partner incredible stuff honestly um so he he claims that Azerbaijan because Azerbaijan has

[00:35:48] has has taken uh some rules that they would increase their uh export to Europe to Europe to

[00:35:57] European Union and he believes that with the increasing demand in the county Azerbaijan is not

[00:36:03] going to be able to meet the criteria that they have signed with the European Union with the European

[00:36:09] Commission so they are actually selling the washing gas to Baku to to European Union but under

[00:36:17] the brand of Azerbaijan gas natural gas so that was one of the articles he published right

[00:36:23] before his imprisonment and he looks at it from the economist perspective that it's not possible for

[00:36:29] Azerbaijan to keep up with the demand in fact the oil is the oil and the gas reserves in Azerbaijan

[00:36:35] is declining right now we have been exploiting them for so long that now they're declining so

[00:36:43] there must be there must be a comprehensive and deep investigation regarding this because I

[00:36:49] think there's a lot to uncover here another topic that he was uh another topic that he was working on

[00:36:56] was the funds that I mentioned from the MP the member of parliament in Azerbaijan Javan Sheffey

[00:37:02] Cef is that Javadov as Amir Hajiyev so he also saw a chance to bring that bring back this money

[00:37:10] to people of Azerbaijan and in June 2023 one month before his imprisonment he set up a charter fund

[00:37:19] in England and also in Wales called Azerbaijan Youth Education Scholarship and the aim of this

[00:37:28] charter fund was to work with the UK nation crime agency and with the home office because

[00:37:33] when the when the court settled the case the money actually goes to the goes to the UK home office

[00:37:41] also another example Javadov Faisyev I think it was three weeks ago the UK court frozen

[00:37:48] 50 million dollars of his assets only two weeks ago so there's even more than this we are talking

[00:37:55] about way more amount upcoming so he wanted to work with the UK nation crime agency

[00:38:01] um and and transfer at his partial of this money some part of this money to the fund

[00:38:10] and then use it for educational purposes to to finance the Azerbaijan students education in

[00:38:18] the foreign countries I mean obviously it was in the first stage because he got imprisoned

[00:38:24] one month after fun setting up the fund but maybe this would have been agreed that

[00:38:31] these students would have to come to the UK then then the money would actually stay in UK

[00:38:36] but then Azerbaijan people would benefit from it so the money that was stolen by the Azerbaijan

[00:38:42] people by the people like Jamanshah by Izdat Javadov by Zamrah Hajiyev which is

[00:38:47] we are talking about more than 50 million pounds here I'm different way more than that

[00:38:53] if we have to go deeper it would have been able to go back to Azerbaijan people to the

[00:38:57] scholarships so this kind of efforts and initiatives that he had was crucial for his

[00:39:04] imprisonment I mean we we we saw that two days after he got imprisoned Jamanshah Faisyev the

[00:39:12] disgraced MP who was also called Azerbaijani Vandromat in the UK in the UK media you could

[00:39:20] you could search for Azerbaijani Vandromat and you will get Jamanshah Faisyev he called my he

[00:39:26] he called out my father for a treason and he said he was in London working at Ragnoskov Economics

[00:39:34] and political science in order to use their library to set up a coup d'etat in Azerbaijan

[00:39:41] which he was going to realize in autumn 2023 he got jailed in july 23rd of 2023 my father Dr.

[00:39:51] Kubaid Badov so he was planning to leave the country within a month he was going back to

[00:39:56] London but they are now bringing all these false cases about him he got charged initially by the

[00:40:03] counterfeit money 40 000 dollars that they found in his office 40 000 dollars he lived abroad for nine

[00:40:13] years the only reason he came back after the exile was because he got contacted by the gongos

[00:40:19] government organized NGOs that Azerbaijan obviously not only him but also other NGOs got contacted

[00:40:25] that Azerbaijan government has dropped all the charges there won't be any persecution

[00:40:30] for the NGO cases from 2014 you are free to come back to the country and he came back to see his

[00:40:36] aiming mother my grandma who is now having very hard very difficult with working she is not able

[00:40:43] to work and he wanted to visit his mother before coming back to London in which time period he got

[00:40:50] imprisoned when he got imprisoned actually he was going to see my grandma with my mother

[00:40:55] they were in the car my father and my mother and there was three cars actually one on the on the

[00:41:01] front one on the left one on the right the ones from the left and right actually hit his car

[00:41:07] in order to force him to stop yeah and then around 20 men in civilian clothes get out of those

[00:41:14] cars and those were not police cars by the way dragged my mother to one car and my father Dr.

[00:41:21] Ibadovar to the another car and then they take him to the police station which is for combating

[00:41:28] the organized crime they actually hit my mother in the back of her head she got bruises all over

[00:41:35] her hand all over her arm she couldn't sleep for weeks because of the pain or because of the

[00:41:41] bruises and then they took my father to his so-called office which was our actually previous

[00:41:49] house when his NGO got shut down he basically carried everything to that house because there

[00:41:58] was nowhere else to put and there's no reason to rent an office because there's no NGO so they found

[00:42:05] so-called 40 000 dollars in his office I would give you another example that when they raided

[00:42:12] Obsas Media the journalist organization in December they found 40 000 euro in their office

[00:42:20] so they don't even try to change the number it's the same amount but different currency

[00:42:25] and then they charge him with a counterfeit money initially and later on they claim that they found

[00:42:31] this extremist religious books in his office calling him extremist religious which is incredible

[00:42:38] because right before we went to London we went a wetter spoon drinking a pint of beer together

[00:42:45] and then you see that they are calling your father they're claiming that your father is

[00:42:48] extremist religious which is crazy and now they are trying to bring another charge about the

[00:42:54] money smuggling which is basically the case that's from the NGO so they are now trying to even

[00:43:00] bring up his NGO case back which would see him which he could get sentenced up to 17 years

[00:43:08] he's still in pretrial by the way until May 20th his pretrial got expanded twice now

[00:43:15] whilst in February 15th yeah what is your dad's current situation and so you're saying he's

[00:43:21] potentially facing a 17 year jail term talked to us about what sort of charges he's facing

[00:43:27] what the penalties for that might be and how he currently is what's his health situation like

[00:43:31] as well he's definitely getting tested with his health even before imprisonment he was not the most

[00:43:38] healthy guy he had type 2 diabetes he had hypertension he did have back pain even from London

[00:43:46] and now the government has this strategy to make sure that because in Azerbaijan

[00:43:53] it could happen that there will be a lot of pressure and you get released after three years

[00:43:59] two years three years the government doesn't want you just leave and go back to politics

[00:44:06] they want you to suffer in those imprisonment period of time so that when you leave when you

[00:44:11] eventually leave the prison you would have to we would have to just take care of your health issues

[00:44:19] moving forward and that's what they're doing with my father too I mean we have a case of

[00:44:24] previously we have an example from 2015 when Reva and Arif Yunus who was imprisoned because of the

[00:44:32] NGO persecution back then they did not go they couldn't go into exile only after the European

[00:44:39] Commission managed to initiate a doctor for them a German doctor who came from the same hospital

[00:44:46] by the way that Alexei Narvane got treated in Germany so the same from the same hospital

[00:44:53] and the doctor actually only after that doctor started to doctor started to examine them it got

[00:44:59] revealed that Reva Yunus has developed a cancer in prison and the Azerbaijan government always panicked

[00:45:07] and then eventually they left him go to Germany for treatment but till now Reva and Arif Yunus

[00:45:14] are just fighting obviously with their health issues and that's the ultimate goal of

[00:45:19] Azerbaijan government even eventually you would leave the prison you shouldn't go back to you

[00:45:27] shouldn't go back to politics or being an outspoken critic you should just deal with your health

[00:45:34] issues and he's my father is also being tested with the same things right now

[00:45:39] without I think his type 2 Reva diabetes is I don't think he's no longer type 2 but he's

[00:45:45] now type 1 because he's now getting insulin injection he never got insulin in his life before

[00:45:52] and now he's getting two unit a day 18 in the morning and 12 shots at night so 32 shots a day

[00:46:05] two shots a day 30 units basically in total and this has been increased twice now they started with

[00:46:13] way low and now they put them put it to 25 units now it's 30 units and we were told by the prison

[00:46:21] doctor that they are not they are not able to prescribe more than this so if this doesn't help

[00:46:28] then good luck to him this is basically this is basically what it is I mean it's

[00:46:36] it's because of the high blood sugar level his blood sugar has been at risk twice more than

[00:46:42] the usual it's not going down and and it's just triggers because of the insulin his heart rate has

[00:46:50] got triggered it's now around 115 120 his heart rate is and also he has an issue with the blood

[00:46:59] pressure his blood pressure is so high that it's actually expanding the aortic root that's going

[00:47:07] to his heart and the further expansion is basically means death by heart attack because

[00:47:13] that's you cannot you cannot you cannot solve these issues I mean if you start if you are hooked

[00:47:19] up to insulin you cannot go back from that or if your aortic root is getting expanded you

[00:47:25] cannot make it smaller these issues are gonna riffle with him for forever until end of his

[00:47:31] life and and he's facing a diabetic coma because of the very high blood sugar he's facing a possible

[00:47:39] heart attack because of the because of the blood pressure level his back pains have been so surreal

[00:47:47] that he's not able to get up from the chair get up from the bed without having to try for

[00:47:53] around two minutes he takes around two minutes to get up that's how hard it for him to basically

[00:48:00] basically treat his back pains and what the government does they're just saying that his

[00:48:07] conditions are satisfactory um and whoever is raising the case they're saying that you are

[00:48:13] interfering with Azerbaijan's judiciary system which is nonsense because there's no such

[00:48:19] things as judicial system in Azerbaijan as I told you you could hit a human a pedestrian and then

[00:48:26] just bribe the judiciary and get out without seeing any jail time all these decisions regarding the

[00:48:33] Portugal cases are not given by the by the judges but by the Portuguese by the government

[00:48:41] so so to say that you have they're basically whoever is asking they're basically saying that

[00:48:46] or you would have to wait until until the pre-trial decision until pre-trial ends and they have been

[00:48:53] expand extending it for two times now so it's gonna be 10 months in May and it's already been 250th

[00:49:05] day uh in March 29th and we are heading to day 300 now so he's because of his health issues there

[00:49:14] has been a rule 39 interim decision on the European Court of Human Rights which is can only be triggered

[00:49:21] rule 39 when a person faces a risk to his health that cannot be recovered and we we are the ones

[00:49:29] who prepared so we see the communication between the court and the other version government

[00:49:34] and Azerbaijan government wise when they send the letters to the court with his this is uh

[00:49:41] medical reports and the crazy part is that they could do that because there's no one else to say

[00:49:46] that no they're lying there has been four times four attempts by the international committor of

[00:49:53] red clothes to see him and they have been rejected they were even allowed to see a prisoner

[00:50:00] next to his cell but not allowed to see him all this all this um blockage around him is basically

[00:50:09] try to keep the narrative of him being satisfactory him not needing any hospital or going to house

[00:50:19] going to basic house detention so he wouldn't they would we have had 45 uh 45 appeal courts

[00:50:29] all rejected not a single one we won not a single one I mean he's now being basically

[00:50:36] put into death I mean it doesn't have to be a direct torture it's indirect torture that's what

[00:50:42] he's getting he's slowly being killed and he's not the only one there are all the other

[00:50:48] political prisoners who are facing the same issue with his case it's but with his case it's

[00:50:54] more dire because when otherwise when Alexei Navalny died the government got a bit scared

[00:51:01] and they did uh they did examine some of the political prisoners in fact Robin Wagner who is

[00:51:09] the Bundestag member of parliament in Germany head of the South Caucasus Committee treated about this

[00:51:15] and then the human rights um um ombudsman of Germany treated about this and ombudsman said that I

[00:51:22] hope that they also did the treatment examination on Dr. Guadibadova or my father too well no

[00:51:29] they didn't they they on on purpose with they exempted him so they are trying to they're definitely

[00:51:37] treating him different than anyone else they're treating everyone very bad but more than anyone

[00:51:44] else they're treating him absolutely disgraceful in order to make sure that whenever he eventually

[00:51:50] leaves obviously you we don't know when would it be we are working at the 17 years uh sentence

[00:51:57] right now whenever he eventually if he could not go back to his political life he could not go back to

[00:52:03] his outspoken critical life he would just suffer and have to take care of his health issues until

[00:52:10] the end of his life and that's his current situation in prison right now he needs to work

[00:52:15] around because of the diabetes when i was in London sometimes i just twice a week we would

[00:52:21] work all the way from the from the Kentish town to to to to to Holborn because that's where the

[00:52:28] London School of Economics is that's how how much he used to work back then now he's not even

[00:52:35] allowed to work a minute he's not allowed to work he's not allowed to go outside of

[00:52:40] himself to work like so he's he's not able to do any exercises nothing and all of these are

[00:52:48] basically indirect torture and and and getting his health even under more screen it and under

[00:52:56] more pressure that's truly awful silly question i are the family able i'm assuming the family

[00:53:02] not able to see him or be in contact with him we are able to contact him um he's able to call us

[00:53:09] once a week but it's only for like it's only for like five minutes maximum and if like

[00:53:17] actually he was calling me while we were in this meeting and now i missed it so i'm not gonna talk to

[00:53:23] him this week maybe i would get if i get a chance maybe next week so that's he's not he doesn't have

[00:53:30] he doesn't have uh rights to call anytime he wants he could only call like once a week

[00:53:36] designated and it's being so balanced obviously and when when the government hears something

[00:53:43] they don't like in fact in one of the calls my mother managed to get her correct from the one

[00:53:50] of scoff economics to the call to the other phone so he was she was putting phone next to the phone

[00:53:57] and they heard other woman's voice they cut the call right away so they they are surprising all

[00:54:03] these calls or this meeting so we cannot talk anything or we talk about this like you know

[00:54:09] the basics how are you how are you doing oh i'm fine are you keeping are you eating well are you doing

[00:54:15] well and obviously why is you know yeah i'm well he's a father would never tell the reality to

[00:54:21] his children obviously and we know that his situation is not what he tells us

[00:54:27] at least to the warriors he cannot even call the warriors we even had like five appeal calls

[00:54:33] for that all got rejected he cannot call the voice he could see the warriors but he cannot

[00:54:37] even call them so he could only call once a week us and and we are not able to see him now i last time

[00:54:46] saw him in rondon and that was in i think that was in may so i haven't seen him ever since that

[00:54:53] then because because he brought to the trials appeal calls to back gates on purpose there's

[00:55:02] not even a single picture of him ever since he got imprisoned there's a picture of him from imprisonment

[00:55:08] on july 23 2023 when he got imprisoned around eight months ago now and ever since then i have

[00:55:16] not seen a single picture of him because the government makes sure that you know no one sees

[00:55:22] him you know you don't see anything you don't know anything you don't talk anything you know

[00:55:27] so that they could say that his his conditions are satisfactory and to be fair what if i want to go back

[00:55:33] to asa baijan to meet him what's gonna happen probably i will also get imprisoned too i mean i

[00:55:38] wish you know that people got imprisoned over facebook post all facebook posts they got imprisoned

[00:55:45] i'm sure i did a bit more than that and i'm sure that if i go back to asa baijan i

[00:55:50] would get imprisoned and they would and i can tell you the charges now i would get charged with

[00:55:56] narcotics selling and use of narcotics because around 70 percent of the political prisoners

[00:56:03] are charged with that it's very easy to do i mean you just say that you found a narcotics in his

[00:56:09] house he in his or her house and that's it so so i cannot go back to even go to the prison

[00:56:17] to see him i i cannot i can only talk to him once a week so this pro-k disaster applied

[00:56:24] to the family not only to the international community of red cross or we know that there

[00:56:29] have been certain embassies mostly western countries that have requested to see him

[00:56:34] all got rejected mostly didn't even get a response at all so so they're basically making sure that

[00:56:41] no one is allowed to see him and no one knows his real conditions yeah it's truly terrible

[00:56:46] that's truly terrible well um what what should the international community be doing to help

[00:56:54] and is there anything listeners can do to help uh so we have to look at the reality right we the

[00:57:02] reality is the fact that asa baijan government is because of the capital they are this powerful

[00:57:08] they are this oppressive i mean we remember back then when the oil prices uh shrink to around 40

[00:57:16] dollars in power in 2015 that was the raw state so far so much and government when they didn't

[00:57:23] have the capital there were there was it was chaos they didn't know how to rule the country

[00:57:30] and these days they are having a blast obviously when you had 2022 agreement with the european

[00:57:37] commission we'll swap on the way and the european commission president calling asa baijan a reliable

[00:57:43] president a reliable partner after russia because they say that we need to diversify after russia

[00:57:51] and they go to asa baijan too really absurd and that's one of the ways the asa baijan government

[00:57:58] is getting their capital the other way is that obviously uh oil oil oil exports to the western

[00:58:05] countries we know that the european union countries are getting oil exports and we also know that bp

[00:58:12] bp is the largest foreign direct investors in asa baijan period they are the largest and when

[00:58:21] through these companies through these governments the european countries the european organizations

[00:58:27] european companies like bp asa baijan government is making sure that they're able to oppress the

[00:58:33] people and now the cop is coming cop 29 is being hosted by the asa baijan and then i think this is

[00:58:41] very important opportunity to raise the issue i think we should not have cop when basically whole

[00:58:49] civil society has been imprisoned when the media has been oppressed that no one would be able to

[00:58:57] no one would be able to publish the realities we should not have cop and celebrate the climate change

[00:59:05] i mean i mean tackling the climate change under this screener this is unacceptable

[00:59:13] ever since as a virgin has has given the mandate to host the next cop the government has

[00:59:20] has levered up their efforts to imprison the political activists the society members the

[00:59:28] media organization journalists we it's obvious that they would like to have a very peaceful

[00:59:36] very easygoing cop without all these issues and i think this is unacceptable we

[00:59:41] we the it's what the cop is all about all about the country's right you would have to do deals with

[00:59:49] the countries with the companies so you have a leverage i think on cop when it comes to cop

[00:59:56] west uk european union they have a big leverage us they have a big leverage that they could use

[01:00:03] on because as a virgin government i've been talking to some of the senior energy

[01:00:12] energy experts in in randon in european union and they all say that as a virgin would like to

[01:00:17] sell their renewable energy idea so they would like to get these contracts for the future years

[01:00:25] this should not happen when unless unless as a virgin government

[01:00:29] uh release the political prisoners because i think i think i think human rights are not for sale

[01:00:38] when you when you do agree with the country with the government of kaza by jam when you

[01:00:42] do sign those contracts without forcing them to release the political prisoners without

[01:00:50] forcing them to take necessary steps to let the democratic values to to flourish in the

[01:00:58] country you you are basically selling the human rights for the for the benefit of capital for the

[01:01:04] benefit of money i think that's why the human rights should not be for sale and we should not

[01:01:11] let our virgin government have a peaceful cop 29 without releasing all the political prisoners

[01:01:18] there are 288 political prisoners in aslo by jan it's a big number it's a big number for a member

[01:01:26] of the council of europe there's not a single other member of council of europe with such a big

[01:01:32] political prisoner numbers i mean russia got kicked out so we are not talking about russia obfuscated

[01:01:37] and beowice never got into a council of europe so as a virgin is the third way member than having

[01:01:43] these many political prisoners we shouldn't uk is also a member of the council of europe

[01:01:48] and the parliament to assemble of council of europe so we should not our country who has all

[01:01:55] these um uh responsibilities may come to the cop when it comes to council of europe to to to manage

[01:02:02] to avoid them to manage to await them and and act act like business as usual and what i ask from

[01:02:09] the listeners kindly to to to contact um obviously it's simple obviously if you contact your

[01:02:20] um uh parliament member if you contact those who are responsible for your constitution see

[01:02:28] and let them know about this issue they have the they have the power to raise it with the

[01:02:33] government because we know that the uk government we know that the european uh government are

[01:02:42] playing this game with aslo by jan they are they are investing a lot of capital in aslo by jan

[01:02:49] they are making this deals with aslo by jan government all these deals and all this capital

[01:02:55] and all these agreements are coming uh on the cost of the people of aslo by jan we are the ones who

[01:03:03] facing the bill we are the ones who have to have to take the responsibility of of of the other

[01:03:11] western governments the so-called so-called the governments who always embrace the human

[01:03:17] rights selling the values of human rights for for money for capital so i would kindly urge you to

[01:03:25] raise it with your mp if you have an access to the media to to raise it with the media organizations

[01:03:32] and we we know that today in the political it was it was raised and we know that there has

[01:03:38] been a lot of articles in in like the guardian in financial times in the boombeck uk um in bbc

[01:03:48] in bbc radio so so this case has been raised and this is known to some of the people who are

[01:03:55] who are dealing with these sort of issues with cop 29 and we we need the uk government to take

[01:04:03] action that's the most important part so far we have not seen that so far we have not seen

[01:04:08] the uk government to to to put the concrete steps i mean we we are working at the case

[01:04:16] where we could see the second alexa in avarney case because my father dr gubadi badola is now

[01:04:24] facing an immediate health issues and the government the davidian government is not

[01:04:29] doing enough to prevent this and and what happened after what happened after the death of the alexa

[01:04:36] in avarney we saw that the uk government came up with new sanction package to to sanction

[01:04:43] those who were working in the death of alexa in avarney in that penal colony and in that prison

[01:04:50] and i think i think we if we shouldn't wait until the person dies to take the concrete steps

[01:04:59] we should there there should be thresholds that that you should see that if that thresholds are

[01:05:06] met then you should take an action and i think those thresholds have been met i think

[01:05:12] we are working at the cases where the people like my father dr gubadi badola or some other

[01:05:18] political prisoners could face death where we are working at the case where these people who are

[01:05:26] who are only getting persecuted because of their freedom of expression and i think if we are if

[01:05:33] we are sanctioning russia for these reasons if you're bringing russia what difference does the

[01:05:40] virgin government have from the russia that we are turning a blind eye to what's happening in asor by

[01:05:46] jan in terms of our precious the virgin government is doing the today to their to their civil society

[01:05:53] to the to the critics and that's why i would kind of ask everyone to to make sure that to raise

[01:06:01] it as much as with their mp's your letters to mp's mean a lot because they have the they

[01:06:07] have the responsibility to raise these cases on behalf of you and it's it's always that it's

[01:06:15] obviously with enough pressure the government would be forced to take an action the government would

[01:06:21] be forced to say that because we we because they have obviously connection because then they would

[01:06:27] say that to other government that we have been pressured and this is in no go now we cannot

[01:06:34] continue like this and i think it's important to make sure that make sure that we don't have

[01:06:39] cop 29 like like a business as usual situation circumstances we should make sure that the

[01:06:47] virgin government knows that this is unacceptable yeah indeed indeed well if i'd work in a

[01:06:53] listeners sort of find out more about this do you have a website or anything they could

[01:06:57] particularly go to yes in fact we had the first website that got hacked by the virgin government

[01:07:06] we have been having a lot of attacks by our virgin government they raided my brother's house

[01:07:13] in the u.s and you know it's obviously a question whether they did it but when you

[01:07:20] look at what happened when you look at what happened they only stole the documents regarding

[01:07:26] my father that that is not your usual broker and so this was people broke into your brother's house

[01:07:33] and stole documents yeah yeah in in the u.s he he studies in latkes university where my father used

[01:07:41] to work dr gubadi badou and and he basically he's he lives with the other students from the

[01:07:49] university and they brought they broke into the house they only broke into his room and they didn't

[01:07:56] even uh they didn't even still think from other guys room so we also have all this propaganda

[01:08:03] about him about our family all over the as a virgin media just like everything just like the

[01:08:09] judicious system the media is also controlled by the virgin government all the remaining ones

[01:08:16] as i said operating from outside of the counter is very limited access they don't have any website

[01:08:23] only to facebook and youtube so um so basically we are get we got hacked on the website we are

[01:08:31] getting a lot of pressure but we we we now have a new website called the gubat files that come

[01:08:39] that's the gubad files that come um that's where you could find all the information about about his

[01:08:52] imprisonment and all the all the uh all the cases that have been brought up by the european course

[01:09:00] of human right by the european parliament we have an urgent resolution on the european parliament

[01:09:06] his case has been raised in the uk uh uk parliament too um his case has been raised several times in the

[01:09:15] u.s there's a resolution on the senate also on the house in the u.s basically regarding his case

[01:09:23] and regarding his imprisonment and we put all of these details into this website you could also

[01:09:29] find information about this on the twitter me myself and my sister zahra by vamova that's v h a uh r a

[01:09:41] by vamova we are continuously and uh after my brother emin that's e m i n we are

[01:09:49] continuously posting about everything that's happening so you could use the website you

[01:09:54] could use a twitter you could look at the you could search for his name on google and you would get

[01:10:02] article with published by published by the published by the media outlets uh that you could

[01:10:09] read about it so there are many many platforms that you could find the information about

[01:10:15] and and i and i think i think they're very informative and i think we we we we try to

[01:10:22] put as much information as possible we have videos about him his imprisonment we have uh

[01:10:28] his articles that he has written about the gas deal between the asovagin and the e u and how

[01:10:34] asovagin government is might be using russian gas to sell to sell to the e u or about his charity

[01:10:42] fund and about all this uh the the cases in the uk nation crime agency and how he wants

[01:10:49] he wanted to cooperate with the uk government to to bring back this money because that's the

[01:10:57] that's the purpose of this money when you when you confiscate them the main the main goal is to

[01:11:02] actually get it back to the to the right hands and he he actually wanted to do this so you

[01:11:09] could use all this website the go about files dot com or the twitter or or ask the youtube

[01:11:16] to to find more information about his case and also about the current situation asovagin because

[01:11:23] when when the when the point when the the journalists got imprisoned there were uh

[01:11:29] there were a lot of a lot of uh articles published by the foreign by the foreign

[01:11:36] media outlets in solidarity in solidarity with the journalists like there's a fans 24

[01:11:43] there's the guardian um or cc rp um radio fans um remonde reservoir the standard in germany i think

[01:11:55] so this they they basically put together all the investigation that the journalists were working on

[01:12:02] and and publish them they finished them and then published them so right now there's a lot

[01:12:06] of news about what's happening asovagin because it's outrageous a country that sits on the border

[01:12:12] of europe has such an important strategic geopolitics strategic location is basically siding towards

[01:12:22] siding towards the autocracy siding towards the russia and and we we know that we know that

[01:12:29] this did not end well once very recently with russia and i think everything has to be done

[01:12:36] to prevent a second case to happen a second russia case well iber thank you very much for your

[01:12:41] time today thank you for joining me thank you for inviting me thanks for listening this is secrets and spies